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Keith Oakley - n/a
17-Jun-08, 03:00 PM
With rising oil prices, global warming etc we might occasionally worry about the future of our oil powered sport. Perhaps Oil 2.0 might be the answer. According to the Times http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article413 (www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article4133668.ece) 3668.ece - Every living organism efficiently converts sugar from food into fat to store energy, and fats are chemically similar to the hydrocarbons that make up fuels. So by tinkering with a few genes, US scientists at biotech companies Amyris and LS9 have designed bacteria that eat almost any type of plant— wood chips, straw, sugarcane, corn, and other forms of cellulose—digest it, and convert it into oil.



Many a slip between start-up R&D and economic worldwide production but one to watch?

jon_curtis - n/a
17-Jun-08, 05:35 PM
been running my car on veg oil for years, so this sounds interesting!

profqwerty - n/a
17-Jun-08, 09:12 PM
Hmm I've been recently looking heavily into alternate fuel for the Defender (20mpg diesel or whatever it is is starting to show!).



The problem with veg oil now is it seems to be more expensive than diesel, or only marginally cheaper!! So I've been looking at Kerosene / Jet A-1 but they don't really want me to put that in that car for some reason http://hovercraft.org.uk/images/icons/smiley_icons/icon_cry.gif

jon_curtis - n/a
17-Jun-08, 09:46 PM
just go to the cash and carry and buy it in drums!

Jonathan - n/a
17-Jun-08, 10:17 PM
I got around the problem by converting my car to LPG. my local supplier's only charging 40ppl+vat!



Can you imagine an LPG Hover? http://hovercraft.org.uk/images/icons/smiley_icons/icon_twisted.gif

Nickcarswell - n/a
17-Jun-08, 11:03 PM
I could really do with an alternative to petrol - problem is the party piece of my car is unfortunatly also its downfall - 4.2MPG http://hovercraft.org.uk/images/icons/smiley_icons/icon_eek.gif

profqwerty - n/a
18-Jun-08, 08:08 AM
Sorry do you mean 42mpg?!? cos 4.2mpg - woweeeeeee

sixpackpert - n/a
18-Jun-08, 08:16 AM
I got around the problem by converting my car to LPG. my local supplier's only charging 40ppl+vat!



Can you imagine an LPG Hover? http://hovercraft.org.uk/images/icons/smiley_icons/icon_twisted.gif




Can you imagine a government that doesn't stiff us? http://www.jonrb.com/emoticons/furious.gif

profqwerty - n/a
18-Jun-08, 09:06 AM
Can you imagine a government that doesn't stiff us? http://www.jonrb.com/emoticons/furious.gif






I hear Jersey has nice low tax levels...

Nickcarswell - n/a
18-Jun-08, 09:52 AM
No seriously if i put my foot down and give it some beans i will be getting between 3.3 and 4.2 mpg so the trip computer tells me!

Jonathan - n/a
19-Jun-08, 01:10 AM
No seriously if i put my foot down and give it some beans i will be getting between 3.3 and 4.2 mpg so the trip computer tells me!




what the #### are you driving??

The lowest average I've ever seen in a car was 8mpg http://hovercraft.org.uk/images/icons/smiley_icons/icon_eek.gif http://hovercraft.org.uk/images/icons/smiley_icons/icon_eek.gif

Nickcarswell - n/a
19-Jun-08, 09:43 AM
Its only a mk4 golf gti - 1.8 turbo petrol

sixpackpert - n/a
19-Jun-08, 09:53 AM
Its only a mk4 golf gti - 1.8 turbo petrol




I think you're trip computer's knackered or your engine's had it chief. Even Mitsi Evo's have better MPG figures than that.



http://www.channel4.com/4car/ft/null/null/1709/10



Quote: "1.8T GTi (150bhp): 134mph, 0-60 8.5 sec, 36.2mpg"



I think the decimal point is in the wrong place on your display!

Nickcarswell - n/a
19-Jun-08, 10:22 AM
its only when you red line it in every gear and really race it

if you drive it under normal conditions you will get between 20 - 40mpg- i even got 55 coming back from a branch meeting the other day http://hovercraft.org.uk/images/icons/smiley_icons/icon_razz.gif

sixpackpert - n/a
19-Jun-08, 02:16 PM
its only when you red line it in every gear and really race it

if you drive it under normal conditions you will get between 20 - 40mpg- i even got 55 coming back from a branch meeting the other day http://hovercraft.org.uk/images/icons/smiley_icons/icon_razz.gif




Oh okay, I should think most cars have figures like that when on full gas, I used to drive a 1.9 TDi (diesel obviously http://hovercraft.org.uk/images/icons/smiley_icons/icon_rolleyes.gif ) Audi and that did about 8mpg under hard acceleration. Never red lined it though, there was no point taking it there as the torque ran out way before.



ETA: I had a Pug 307 2.0 HDi as well, that used to show 6mpg under hard acceleration, and 999.9mpg in top at 30mph http://hovercraft.org.uk/images/icons/smiley_icons/icon_rolleyes.gif

wayne hill - n/a
19-Jun-08, 02:56 PM
Has anyone ever worked out what a hovercrafts mpg is at a race meeting? ( just bored at work ) http://hovercraft.org.uk/images/icons/smiley_icons/icon_biggrin.gif

Obviously not including the distance to the meet as it should be on the back of the trailer!

sixpackpert - n/a
19-Jun-08, 03:12 PM
Has anyone ever worked out what a hovercrafts mpg is at a race meeting? ( just bored at work ) http://hovercraft.org.uk/images/icons/smiley_icons/icon_biggrin.gif

Obviously not including the distance to the meet as it should be on the back of the trailer!






Ooooh now that's a project for someone with time on their hands...





































































...I don't have time at the moment before anyone gets smart http://hovercraft.org.uk/images/icons/smiley_icons/icon_rolleyes.gif



We used approx 8-9 litres of fuel at Claydon in our 503 per 8 lap race.



<font size="1">Goes off to trace the courses on Autoroute to get lap distances[/COLOR]

keith_b - n/a
20-Jun-08, 03:04 PM
Anyone got an idea of a recent price of veg oil in drums from a cash and carry?



I usually get mine from Asda/Ocado as they were cheaper than a cash and carry (speaking to a mate who runs a cafe) but with the price increases this may have changed?



Cheers



Keith

team black - n/a
20-Jun-08, 04:31 PM
its only when you red line it in every gear and really race it

if you drive it under normal conditions you will get between 20 - 40mpg- i even got 55 coming back from a branch meeting the other day http://hovercraft.org.uk/images/icons/smiley_icons/icon_razz.gif




See Jon, Nick lives in the South West and comes to Branch Meetings.... When you come to one you could give us an update on your economy figures http://hovercraft.org.uk/images/icons/smiley_icons/icon_lol.gif

sixpackpert - n/a
20-Jun-08, 05:23 PM
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its only when you red line it in every gear and really race it

if you drive it under normal conditions you will get between 20 - 40mpg- i even got 55 coming back from a branch meeting the other day http://hovercraft.org.uk/images/icons/smiley_icons/icon_razz.gif




See Jon, Nick lives in the South West and comes to Branch Meetings.... When you come to one you could give us an update on your economy figures http://hovercraft.org.uk/images/icons/smiley_icons/icon_lol.gif
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I know, I know, I will be at the next one, I'm sure I will be...yes...definitely maybe...







































...when is it??? http://www.jonrb.com/emoticons/dunno.gif http://www.jonrb.com/emoticons/hehe.gif

Jamie Lewendon - n/a
20-Jun-08, 06:17 PM
At the Berlin Worlds, the craft averaged about a litre a minute!!!!!! But that was screaming for 96 racing laps + qualifying and pratcice



Jamie

sixpackpert - n/a
20-Jun-08, 06:23 PM
At the Berlin Worlds, the craft averaged about a litre a minute!!!!!! But that was screaming for 96 racing laps + qualifying and pratcice



Jamie




95 laps dude, you went swimming on 2 of them http://www.jonrb.com/emoticons/laughinatu.gif http://www.jonrb.com/emoticons/thrupth.gif



ETA: oh that was practice wasn't it http://www.jonrb.com/emoticons/getmecoat.gif

Jamie Lewendon - n/a
20-Jun-08, 06:33 PM
Actually one was in prcatice, the other was an hour later in qualifying. http://hovercraft.org.uk/images/icons/smiley_icons/icon_biggrin.gif



I got the slowest recorded qualifying time in F3. what with fishing it out the pond, getting it back to paddock, drying the engine, changing the fan hub and 2 blades, and getting back out to get a time. Qualified 3rd in F3, and 1st in FS.



I think the stakes have bee raised in FS now.



Jamie http://hovercraft.org.uk/images/icons/smiley_icons/icon_lol.gif

Keith Oakley - n/a
20-Jun-08, 07:16 PM
Oil 2.0 - I was faintly hoping there might be a bio chemist out there willing to comment on their chances of success..... After all it would rather change the world as we know it, Jim... But I should have known better!

Nickcarswell - n/a
21-Jun-08, 12:47 AM
Well intrestingly on your note Keith I work with someone who used to be chief chemist for a division of a big oil company that made tescos fuel mixtures - Firstly never ever buy fuel from a supermarket because they add some wicked parts to it. Plus they are using more biofuel, typiclly 5% in Tesco's fuels which is damaging engines because biofuel is coarser and damages the engine in the long run but its also why you find supermarkets are more competitive on fuel - because its tat!



Anyway back to the other thing

If you want cheap Diesel and have access to Kerosene your in luck! (yay im 10 miles away from an airfield)



20 litres of Kerosene

1 Egg cup full of 2 stroke

The 2 stroke is used because the Kerosene is slightly coarser than diesel this helps lubricate.

From tests this fuel is

More economical AND creates more power from the engine - You can also produce this for about 55-60p per litre one hell of saving



Be aware this doesnt work in some engines from the top of my head all vauxhall ecotech engines dont like it

All VW group cars love it - Audi, Volkswagen, SEAT, Skoda



Unfortunatly its been much more difficult to create a replacement petrol fuel with the same qualities as above http://hovercraft.org.uk/images/icons/smiley_icons/icon_sad.gif



Nick (Btw - Its not my fault if you c**k up your car http://hovercraft.org.uk/images/icons/smiley_icons/icon_smile.gif )

profqwerty - n/a
21-Jun-08, 10:10 AM
If you're feeling really adventurous, use the kerosene from your heating system. Sadly I've been explicitly told I can't do this because of the tax differences.

They're selling taxed Kerosene near us for 94ppl though http://hovercraft.org.uk/images/icons/smiley_icons/icon_smile.gif

Nickcarswell - n/a
21-Jun-08, 07:50 PM
If you're feeling really adventurous, use the kerosene from your heating system. Sadly I've been explicitly told I can't do this because of the tax differences.

They're selling taxed Kerosene near us for 94ppl though http://hovercraft.org.uk/images/icons/smiley_icons/icon_smile.gif


Taxed Kerosene for road usage is alot more expensive but look at it this way - Its more economical and produces more power!! Its a win win situation and the PPP (price per litre) is still 40 odd pence less!

Jonathan - n/a
22-Jun-08, 04:43 PM
Has anyone ever worked out what a hovercrafts mpg is at a race meeting? ( just bored at work ) http://hovercraft.org.uk/images/icons/smiley_icons/icon_biggrin.gif

Obviously not including the distance to the meet as it should be on the back of the trailer!






Well I remember Jamie Lewenden took a GPS unit out at Gangwarily one year, but I can't remember the distance he measured (I do think he averaged 30mph?).



At Claydon (unlike many courses) you could always walk the land course with a 'distance-meter' and then walk along the length of the water stretch to get a Lap/Race Distance.

Then (before the races start) ask racers how much fuel they use in a race.

Then get your calculator out!!