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    the recent world championships circuit was short with chicanes on the land and the water, F1's were doing 40 second laps with enough opportunity to hold them flat out

    the result was many laps with close and exciting racing in all formulae, gets me thinking we should try to achieve this at our venues, just because we have a massive lake or land available doesn't mean we have to have a 1/4 mile straights

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    I have said this in the past. From a spectator point of view some of the racing is really boring to watch, especially the novices. Before jumping on my head I dont mean it in an offensive way. My favorite races to watch was the f1. Reason I find the novices and f35 boring to watch is exactly what you mention above. The craft become too spead out very quickly then it can be like watching a carnival procession. A shorter circuit would bunch the craft up more which I feel would lead to more over taking which is fun for the racers and spectators alike. The faster craft would catch up the tail enders that much quicker leading to even more overtaking.

    I feel a shorter circuit would benefit racers, spectators and ultimately the sport as a whole. maybe it could be tried on one of the meetings then make descission for other meetings based on that.

    I'm not a racer just a spectator

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    Default Re: best race circuit design

    Race circuit design will always depend to a considerable extent on the terrain of the venue!

    Technical courses are of course a preference, but too tight and there will be no opportunities for overtaking, which can make it more of a procession, not less.

    We had nearly twice as many craft at the Towcester WHC, not sure this would have been so successful on the Saalburg course.

    Personally, I want to see a variety of courses, as one particular course will never suit everyone.

    I would also like to see an increase in the number of laps on shorter courses. 40 second laps....10 laps....means a 6 and a half minute race....thats 26 minutes of racing in a weekend. We make Novices do 10 minutes + 1 lap because historically thats how long a race used to last. Shortening races doesn't save that much time - after all, the 10 minute board etc proceedure takes longer than the race itself!

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    I thought WHC course was a little on the short size with the leaders catching and overtaking backmarkers very early in the race. This seem to annoy a number of racers, especially if they caught them on the land section. This seemed to make it difficult for the leaders and little seemed to happen after catching the backmarkers.

    Was the racing closer at WHC because the racers were at the top of the sport. In the GB races there is a wider range of ability and standard of craft. Currently the F50 racing has been exciting on all the courses and I always stop whatever I am doing to watch it. This is mainly due to their being several racers who are racing at the same level and of cause there is a good number of racers. Other formulas struggle with the number of racers to keep things interesting.

    Making courses more technical may have benefits provided there is sufficient places to overtake slower crafts without loosing time.

    I think adding chacanes would be interesting, shortening course would not be a benefit, but I think the main thing that will make the racing exciting is attracting more racers to the formulas that are undersubscribed. Unfortunately I do not have an answer to that, though I am doing my best to get more Junior's involved.

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    I can hear Dave Kemp typing...! He's long been a proponent of shorter tracks. He won't be able to resist this!

    When I used to race in RallyCross, we in the peasant formula class would often race on a shorter circuit than the big boys. In F1, I used to like the fast tracks like Lydd where you could hit some decent speeds - but it was less fun in a 503. I'm not up to date with many of the the current UK circuits - is it a possibility to have ashort circuit for the slower formulas?

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    "Re: best race circuit design"

    Berlin WHC 2004.

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    Personally, I feel the whole 'show' lacks any attempt at entertaining the public... so if that's the goal then the whole program needs looking at, not just the course design.

    This includes restructuring the weekend, matching craft together into finals, making saturday a 'closed to club' day and sunday more spectator friendly AND more interesting racetracks.

    In every formula there's amassive gap between first and last - course deisgn won't close that up....

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    Default Re: best race circuit design

    i had a suggestion to change the whole format to get novice and juniors done early thus releasing the afternoons for the main formulas.

    however - claydon shows us the juniors at presently very entertaining to watch with the young bloods giving it all and with no fear.

    the only way to improve spectator experience is to make the race intervals less, craft recovery from last race ongoing during next race etc and if your craft is not returned then its bad luck.

    from all i get from spectators - its too long winded and too much down time.

    there's no easy solution i fear.

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